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	<title>Comments on: Newspapers Broke My Heart. Will Citizen Journalism Heal It? By Trent Seibert</title>
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		<title>By: Faced with Uncertain Future, Newsmen Venture into Non-Profit Journalism</title>
		<link>http://www.newstechzilla.com/2009/01/newspapers-broke-my-heart-will-citizen-journalism-heal-it-by-trent-seibert/comment-page-1/#comment-2086</link>
		<dc:creator>Faced with Uncertain Future, Newsmen Venture into Non-Profit Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journalists awarded with coveted &#8220;Open Doors Award&#8221; in 2009.  Former print reporter Trent Seibert founded the organization in August 2008 to fill a perceived gap in state coverage. It did not take long for the site to make [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Journalists awarded with coveted &#8220;Open Doors Award&#8221; in 2009.  Former print reporter Trent Seibert founded the organization in August 2008 to fill a perceived gap in state coverage. It did not take long for the site to make [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.newstechzilla.com/2009/01/newspapers-broke-my-heart-will-citizen-journalism-heal-it-by-trent-seibert/comment-page-1/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

The idea of posts being subject to an Editor isn&#039;t foreign to 99% of bloggers since most use blogging platforms that feature different user levels for contributors, editors, and admins.  That&#039;s probably &quot;how come&quot; (I think that means &quot;why&quot;) you can&#039;t edit your comments here. You probably don&#039;t have an account, or if you do it doesn&#039;t include the rights to edit comments.

Is this the first blog you&#039;ve ever read? Seems like an online marketing guy would know this stuff already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>The idea of posts being subject to an Editor isn&#8217;t foreign to 99% of bloggers since most use blogging platforms that feature different user levels for contributors, editors, and admins.  That&#8217;s probably &#8220;how come&#8221; (I think that means &#8220;why&#8221;) you can&#8217;t edit your comments here. You probably don&#8217;t have an account, or if you do it doesn&#8217;t include the rights to edit comments.</p>
<p>Is this the first blog you&#8217;ve ever read? Seems like an online marketing guy would know this stuff already.</p>
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		<title>By: Unrequired Reading&#160;{8.1.09}</title>
		<link>http://www.newstechzilla.com/2009/01/newspapers-broke-my-heart-will-citizen-journalism-heal-it-by-trent-seibert/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Unrequired Reading&#160;{8.1.09}</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspapers Broke My Heart. Will Citizen Journalism Heal It? &#124; NewsTechZilla - I believe bloggers, citizen journalists and nontraditional outlets must take on the role of public watchdog as newspapers continue to decline. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Newspapers Broke My Heart. Will Citizen Journalism Heal It? | NewsTechZilla &#8211; I believe bloggers, citizen journalists and nontraditional outlets must take on the role of public watchdog as newspapers continue to decline. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.newstechzilla.com/2009/01/newspapers-broke-my-heart-will-citizen-journalism-heal-it-by-trent-seibert/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, how come I can&#039;t edit my comments on this website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, how come I can&#8217;t edit my comments on this website?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.newstechzilla.com/2009/01/newspapers-broke-my-heart-will-citizen-journalism-heal-it-by-trent-seibert/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that integration is a huge problem.

Let&#039;s assume that the Daily Planet wants to incorporate and use citizen journalists.

1. How do you find them?
2. How do you get them to give up (if they have one) their current blog and &quot;work&quot; for you?
3. How do you compensate them?
4. What sort of editing process do you subject them to? This one is a nasty as bloggers type and it appears. How do you convince bloggers to subject themselves to an editing process?  How do you get (train) editors to turn around a post in a 1/2 hour? What does the editor of the Daily Planet do when the citizen uses the FUCK word in a post/column/article?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that integration is a huge problem.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume that the Daily Planet wants to incorporate and use citizen journalists.</p>
<p>1. How do you find them?<br />
2. How do you get them to give up (if they have one) their current blog and &#8220;work&#8221; for you?<br />
3. How do you compensate them?<br />
4. What sort of editing process do you subject them to? This one is a nasty as bloggers type and it appears. How do you convince bloggers to subject themselves to an editing process?  How do you get (train) editors to turn around a post in a 1/2 hour? What does the editor of the Daily Planet do when the citizen uses the FUCK word in a post/column/article?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.newstechzilla.com/2009/01/newspapers-broke-my-heart-will-citizen-journalism-heal-it-by-trent-seibert/comment-page-1/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Trent.  I was looking for the same thing today as I scanned the Oakland indy sites I track at Placeblogger to see how they were handling today&#039;s unrest.  Some of the sites aren&#039;t picking up the baton, but it only takes one, in this case, a great site called Oakland Focus.  I think it will be a rocky ride, but I personally believe journalism will survive the death of its institutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Trent.  I was looking for the same thing today as I scanned the Oakland indy sites I track at Placeblogger to see how they were handling today&#8217;s unrest.  Some of the sites aren&#8217;t picking up the baton, but it only takes one, in this case, a great site called Oakland Focus.  I think it will be a rocky ride, but I personally believe journalism will survive the death of its institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen journalism gets a shout-out from Instapundit &#124; Texas Watchdog</title>
		<link>http://www.newstechzilla.com/2009/01/newspapers-broke-my-heart-will-citizen-journalism-heal-it-by-trent-seibert/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen journalism gets a shout-out from Instapundit &#124; Texas Watchdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] boss Trent Seibert&#8217;s short piece on the rise of citizen journalism &#8212; and the decline of traditional &#8220;old&#8221; media &#8212; for a new blog is getting a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] boss Trent Seibert&#8217;s short piece on the rise of citizen journalism &#8212; and the decline of traditional &#8220;old&#8221; media &#8212; for a new blog is getting a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.newstechzilla.com/2009/01/newspapers-broke-my-heart-will-citizen-journalism-heal-it-by-trent-seibert/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always loved newspapers and have read them cover to cover since I was a teenager.  Anymore  I only take the paper for the local information it provides.  Unfortuantly that coverage is getting thinner and thinner.  Most of the stuff is from the AP which I can read online the day before the newspaper comes out.  The editorials are left leaning, the syndicated columnists are left leaning, the letters are left leaning (in a conservative community you&#039;d think it would be 50/50).  It&#039;s a shame, but it won&#039;t be long before I do away with subscribing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always loved newspapers and have read them cover to cover since I was a teenager.  Anymore  I only take the paper for the local information it provides.  Unfortuantly that coverage is getting thinner and thinner.  Most of the stuff is from the AP which I can read online the day before the newspaper comes out.  The editorials are left leaning, the syndicated columnists are left leaning, the letters are left leaning (in a conservative community you&#8217;d think it would be 50/50).  It&#8217;s a shame, but it won&#8217;t be long before I do away with subscribing.</p>
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		<title>By: sadcox</title>
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		<dc:creator>sadcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mediaverse I agree with what you&#039;re saying. In fact, I tend to look at my news consumption this way...

1) For breaking facts and events--Twitter
2) For opinion and punditry--blogs
3) For investigative journalism--newspapers

You&#039;re right, most bloggers don&#039;t have that resource (time) to really cover a story. What I don&#039;t understand is why newspapers are still printing things like accounts of sporting events that are 12 hours old and were watched, blogged, tweeted, and listened to by just about everyone who cares about the details.

Seems like a waste of that precious resource--time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mediaverse I agree with what you&#8217;re saying. In fact, I tend to look at my news consumption this way&#8230;</p>
<p>1) For breaking facts and events&#8211;Twitter<br />
2) For opinion and punditry&#8211;blogs<br />
3) For investigative journalism&#8211;newspapers</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, most bloggers don&#8217;t have that resource (time) to really cover a story. What I don&#8217;t understand is why newspapers are still printing things like accounts of sporting events that are 12 hours old and were watched, blogged, tweeted, and listened to by just about everyone who cares about the details.</p>
<p>Seems like a waste of that precious resource&#8211;time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mediaverse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mediaverse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, this is a great site and a great discussion. Let&#039;s be real for a sec, though: citizen journalism is not the great hope that we think it will be. 

Why? Because good journalism happens more often when people are paid--well enough--to do it. It rarely happens for free. That&#039;s the biggest stumbling block to citizen journalism. Now, I would totally change my opinion if more individuals were willing to pay others to do good journalism but that&#039;s not going to happen as long as news is viewed a free and readily available content.

So, in other words, you can train as many folks as you&#039;d like how to research and investigate to keep government honest and you&#039;ll develop some great, well-informed citizens but you won&#039;t be creating new journalists unless those same folks can find a way to pay their bills by spending time researching and investigating. That&#039;s why blogs break news so inconsistently as compared to MSMs. It&#039;s not that there aren&#039;t enough blogs; it&#039;s just that bloggers don&#039;t have the resources (i.e. time) to truly dedicate themselves to reporting the way a traditional journalist with a salary and benefits can.

Life always intrudes and limits bloggers--well, except those like Talking Points Memo who have financing. 

If you really want to change the game, then develop more venture capitalists who want to pay for good journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, this is a great site and a great discussion. Let&#8217;s be real for a sec, though: citizen journalism is not the great hope that we think it will be. </p>
<p>Why? Because good journalism happens more often when people are paid&#8211;well enough&#8211;to do it. It rarely happens for free. That&#8217;s the biggest stumbling block to citizen journalism. Now, I would totally change my opinion if more individuals were willing to pay others to do good journalism but that&#8217;s not going to happen as long as news is viewed a free and readily available content.</p>
<p>So, in other words, you can train as many folks as you&#8217;d like how to research and investigate to keep government honest and you&#8217;ll develop some great, well-informed citizens but you won&#8217;t be creating new journalists unless those same folks can find a way to pay their bills by spending time researching and investigating. That&#8217;s why blogs break news so inconsistently as compared to MSMs. It&#8217;s not that there aren&#8217;t enough blogs; it&#8217;s just that bloggers don&#8217;t have the resources (i.e. time) to truly dedicate themselves to reporting the way a traditional journalist with a salary and benefits can.</p>
<p>Life always intrudes and limits bloggers&#8211;well, except those like Talking Points Memo who have financing. </p>
<p>If you really want to change the game, then develop more venture capitalists who want to pay for good journalism.</p>
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